SEA Alliance

[ethynol]

Hey guys, and Hi Joshua, sorry I havent had a chance to talk to you, so nice to meet you. 

I was talking to Rexxy before and he seems keen on having a SEA alliance moving forward, since with the timezones it is easier for us to communicate with one another.

Anyways I just wanna say Im interested in working with you guys long term. And when Lukas is awake, we can confirm our group have a solid thing for this Main Match. Hope to hear from you guys soon.

[abcdefg]

Yeah me too!

Let's discuss this round. I think, considering the fact that we all seem on point on working together in the future, we can be 100% honest and try to share info with each other.

What have you gathered from the others? I'm currently still trying to gather my bearings but I'm gonna try to talk to the others.

[ethynol]

As far as I know, our side has 3 nobles, 1 commoner,
Arnold and Jay has commoner. And a few others have commoners as well, I cant recall offhand.

Btw, we need keep an eye on Jay,he seemed to be talking with quite a few people. We need to keep it tight within the 5 of us, so we'll all be safe

[rexxefa]

Sounds great!

Also, from what I know, the people with/told me holding the noble cards are both of you, Joseph, Trevor and I guess plat or arnold since they traded. So that's 5. And we got 3 of them

[abcdefg]

Okay nice! I'm actually trying to talk to Jay too but yes, we need to keep an eye out.

[rexxefa]

Okay, so let's just say Lukas had the convict card. Then before we throw out that card out of the group, let's get points out of them. The order for official trades will be:

Convict	Commoner
A	B
B	C
C	D
D	E
E	A
A	C
C	E
E	B
B	D
D	A

If we did not have the convict card, we replace that with the noble card. And throughout the whole process, we'll only use one commoner card and noble card. if we use noble cards then each person will get 2 points. if we use convict card then each person will get 4.

Now after the whole trade, here's the solution to keep all of us safe from the convict card:

(1) With the convict card
In the chart, the sequence will end with person A holding the convict card. Now after trading that, person A immediately go to the unofficial trading room and say "I'll trade my card with [person D]" (since we know for sure person D has commoner). Then, before person D accepts, that person should make an official trade with another noble outside our group, but say that you will return that noble card back afterwards in the unofficial trade room. But before you trade that noble card back, accept that convict card trade. Then, IMMEDIATELY, start a trade with that person since that person thinks it's the noble card, but you actually giving him the convict card. Then we all stop trading.

(2) With the noble card
Person A is safe with noble card, person D is safe with commoner card. Now person B,C,E might be in danger because, who knows, one of our group member might be lying and have the convict card at the start, and it may be in either person B,C, or E's hands.

To counter that, person B, C, and E have to make ONE official trade with a person outside of our group. IF you turns out to have the conflict card, we do the steps in (1).

This just to ensure we don't end up with convict card while still earning points. I'll copy and paste this in the room with lukas and trevor, after lukas woke up and he agrees with this thing.

And yea, it might looks a bit complicated

[rexxefa]

So I made the room for us 5, since lukas responds and pretty much agrees to group up with us!

Also, do you guys want to keep the whole SEA alliance thing a secret?

[ethynol]

Yep we keep it a secret for now then. But I guess it'll be obvious a couple of games into it.


Lukas is commoner btw. We'll just wait for the room then

[abcdefg]

It won't be obvious if we play it lowkey or split up in a future main match!

But yeah, Rexxy, nice strategy! However, I think we also have to account for anyone lying.

[rexxefa]

Oh, and I made a few changes in the strategy. I'm gonna write it in the 5 person room. It's pretty similar but it's better for you guys to read it too

[abcdefg]

Just a short thought: I trust us way more to believe that me/Rexxy are the ones truly with Noble cards and Ethyl has the commoner card.

I have a gut feel that it's actually someone in our group with the convict but I'm not sure.

What do you guys think of checking Lukas's potential plan out and then slightly modifying it under the guise of "making it easier" but what we're really doing is ensuring ourselves points?

We could keep a nice chain going between us three. (If I trade with Ethyl and then I trade with Rexxy, and then Rexxy trades with Ethyl again, that's guaranteed points for us).

[rexxefa]

The thing is that securing 1 point using that method might be useless. I also think that it might be trevor who got the convict card, and you too were clear.

My idea is that to figure out if trevor have the convict cards by making him switch with kevin. That way, we know if he got the card while us three never touched that card. And after that I think it's better to follow lukas' procedure for points. But that's just my take.

[abcdefg]

Oh yes, I just realized. This is why I don't make posts at 12 AM >_>

I'm a bit nervous about the plan though, if we do Lukas's idea (the quick swaps), one of us could be blindsided easily with the convict card.

That said, I agree with your idea.

[ethynol]

But we wont have enough points to go around right. If we do an internal swapping, we could only get 1 point each.. And getting 1 point in this game is the same as getting 0. We wont be the loser of the MM, we won't get a garnet and we wont be safe.

Im inclined to think that the noble is not in our group (I have a Noble and rexxy has commoner btw). Somehow it's in my gut that Jay/Merk side got it. Based on what we see, we should have most of the nobles and they shouldnt be able to trade to get points? I might be wrong though. Maybe this is the reason Jay is approaching a lot of people? trying to get a way out of the convict card? Just a hunch though.

[ethynol]

With Lukas method, we can figure out who has what cards very easily if we are doing like 3 pairs simultaneously. We just need to make sure that no one is lying about it.