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Post by Bandage Man on Sept 6, 2017 11:43:48 GMT -5
We will now begin the final round of The Genius.
Ethy was eliminated in the 10th round and Kevin and Rexxy have made it to the finals!
I will explain the overall game rules for the finals.
3 games have been prepared for the finals and the first player to win 2 games will be the champion.
There are 12 items which will give you an edge in the games.
One item was given to each of the 11 eliminated guests.
The remaining item will be given to Rexxy, who has more garnets.
The guests will decide who to give their items to.
These items will be revealed to the players before each relevant game is played.
The eliminated guests will have until Sun, 9 PM EST to decide who they want to give their items to. If they don't post it by then, the item will be given to Rexxy since he holds more garnets.
You are now also given the opportunity to state your case to the eliminated guests and tell them why they should give you the items.
On Sun, 10 PM EST, I will reveal more about the games.
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Post by rexxefa on Sept 6, 2017 11:53:01 GMT -5
I'll probably do my "speech" in the morning at my time since I'm pretty busy rn, catching up on my work stuff after that DM
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Post by Bandage Man on Sept 6, 2017 12:20:18 GMT -5
If everyone chose their item earlier, I will reveal it sooner
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Post by rexxefa on Sept 6, 2017 20:41:27 GMT -5
Alright I'll start now. I saw the announcement for this game when I decided to randomly visit the subreddit, and that it's already posted 4 days ago. I thought that every slot has been filled up and I would never going to get in, but I decided to chat Mas anyway and asked to be an alternate, expecting that I would be rejected because the game has started and I was too late. I'm glad I made that decision, because it has been a really fun 4 months to be checking back on this forum again and again and getting to meet all of you guys. And I was expecting to go out early, play a couple of MM and then get eliminated and continue with my everyday life as is. Getting this far was a huge confident boost for me, and I'm really glad to be able to take part in every round in this game. Also I'd like to personally thanks to everyone. I'd honestly thought I would get in an online screaming fight with one of you, but you guys were cool and and I had a blast to be playing alongside with you guys. Henry, Merriska, Jay, Plat - I'm sorry that we haven't had the chance to talk more personally, especially with Henry. I really hope we could work on more games and talk a bit more next time if we were to play this again Tom - I was worried when I found out that you picked me for the DM, since knowing your track record of 5 DM wins. But it's been an honor beating you in my first ever death match while playing one of my all time favorite DM game (also sorry that you had to go out early...) Lukas - You were the first person I approached in this game, since I'm trying to find someone to give me the first boost and advice going in this game. And I have the honor of working with you on the first couple of games. I still think the DM you were lost in is BS and you should really go further in this game, but that's mainly Mas' fault (jk mas pls don't hurt me ) Joseph and Trevor - It has also been a pleasure playing the DM with you guys. I still think double sided poker is super tedious and I hope Mas didn't put it up as one of the game in the finals. I'm sorry that I didn't talk much with you guys either though... Arnold - Thank you for playing your howl cards so that I have my first sole MM win Also it's been fun playing with you here and in secret garnets (and getting eliminated early... Please win that game Mas...) Joshua and Ethy - It's been a blast being able to work alongside you guys throughout the game, because of our similar regions. Joshua, it's been a bummer that you had gone inactive in some part of the game, but I know real life takes the first priority. I had a blast playing with you. As of Ethy, you were awesome. And again I'm sorry that I had to break away from you since you have a really strong social game that keeps you away from the DM and I felt like I had to go against you at that time to go farther and win in the finals. I really do hope we could ally together again if Mas created season 4 and we're both in it Also, I'd like to thank Mas for organizing and creating this whole thing. You're a really great host, even with your constant screw ups I appreciate that you appreciate time and getting this org to move forward in a constant speed. And I wish you success in later projects. Again, for the other players, thank you for all of this, give your items to who you think is the best, I'm ready for your questions and I really hope, alongside with Kevin, for your success in whatever you're doing and in life in general
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Post by kaycali86 on Sept 6, 2017 23:19:36 GMT -5
Alright, my turn .Beginning: I was hooked on The Genius. I read about it in reddit big brother from an early topic, saying it was the best reality show. Once I started, I binged watched the whole series. It was that good. I was at the time, still looking for a job, and I checked out the Reddit Genius forum just seeing what I was missing out. I saw the post about The Genius game being hosted by Mr. Bandage Man. I wanted to give it a try, just to have the same experience and using strategy/wits while playing these games. So I signed up and got in, and got to meet all of you. I was pumped, and I didn't want to set myself for disappointment - I was glad that I got to play with people, no matter if I get evicted first, second, etc, just an privilege to escape a bit of reality of job searching, and just play with people. And from there, is when we started playing and socializing with many of you throughout the main matches. Here's my thought about each of you.Henry: I attempted to reach out to you. I did suggest Arnold to pick you for DM only because I felt you should have logged in at least once throughout the MM. Sorry you were eliminated first, and you were the first person I attempted to reach out when the MM started. At least you showed up in DM and was very close to winning. Tom: Hey! Just to let you know - I indeed created a Confessional Thread detailing my thoughts about all the MM's and DM's being played, and how my thought process was, so I can read back and just see what I did during that week.
I think one thing you didn't know was why you were picked for DM. In MM2, even though you never had a chance to conspire with people, you made a mistake of moving in the 2nd round. Had you stayed in that round, me and rexxy would have moved to where you were at, and you could have potentially survive the Main Match. The thought process of picking you as DM candidate - was to see which players made a mistake during the match. Sorry you didn't get to play afterwards.
Merriska: It was great talking to you. I know you had a personal issue early game, and personal life comes first. I tried my best not to get you picked DM, as Ethy/Rexxy/Joshua wanted to pick you, and couldn't sway them towards another direction. Did want to work with you down the road, and was hoping you win the DM, but alas didn't happen. You gave a valiant effort in the DM that you were very close to winning. You were a capable player, and glad you showed that to people in the DM!Jay: Hey! Fellow Major related ;P. I did try to help you in your DM against Lukas, but it didn't pan out. Sorry you had to go DM early round. I think MM4- people just wanted to bet $1 just so they can let the low garnet players stay where they were at. I overall helped Plat with Rexxy, as I didn't want the burden of picking either you or Plat for DM for being the winner of MM. I couldn't help because we were never in the same food group. Wish we connected more, and hope you had fun with the MM's!
Lukas: Lukas, if there is one thing I regret the most in this game, was trying to target you. I was rubbed the wrong way when you hoodwinked Arnold of taking the convict card and giving it back to him, just so you could get +3 points, and you never gave a garnet to him, though later I heard you were going to offer. I was trying to target you from there on, but I keep forgetting that you were a teenager still, and I felt you really wanted to prove you could get to the end, as you were very strategic player. I felt you should know this beforehand. My apologies. In MM5 - Ethy/Joshua/Rexxy/Plat were going to pick Joseph during the DM, but I feel I should get credit - I persuaded all of them to target you, because I was working with Joseph, and he was my ride or die.
Plat: Hey! It was sad going against you in DM. I will never know why you picked me. I felt that we had a good game relationship, as I wanted to help you in the early matches. But I could see that me picking you for 2nd last draft pick, may have given you the sign that I was not with you. I just did it because Arnold picked me, and you were close to him. But no hard feelings! Joshua: Its a shame you were inactive for throughout the MM's. It was good working with you early matches. I'm not sure what happen in mid-matches. The monopoly game, you never interacted with me in trades, and I felt that I had no chance of winning when you were the only one not willing to trade with me. Whether inactive or not, but regardless, I hope you had fun and I hold nothing against you.
Arnold: Arnold, it was nice interacting with you during MM1. I felt we had a good game relationship. I respected you for taking the convict card from Merriska and risking yourself in the first DM. From there, we did play together. I think the one thing I was sketched was in my perception - you and Ethy having a deal to always look out for each other, and you had two opposing sides, and both of you would make sure to avoid each other for getting pick for DM. With that in mind, I had to be cautious from you. I knew MM11 you and Ethy were tight, and I knew you went against me first turn. Unbeknownst to you, Joseph was my ride or die partner, and our plan was to betray Ethy in MM11 as Ethy did not know me and Joseph were tight as well. It was an honor playing with you, and respect for you since MM1.Trevor: Trevor - I never reached out to you one on one when we started playing. Out of all the players, I considered you the Dark horse - someone that could make it to the end, as I could never get a read out of you. I'm glad we were able to still interact and work with each other near end game. I was genuine about giving you my 20 chips for MM10 if I were to lose, as I ready to go to the DM. You were a great player, and a contender to win this game had you survive the MM. Ethy: We had a great winning streak early round. I felt that we had a strong game relationship as well. I felt though - you had way too many deals with people - Joshua/Arnold/Rexxy/Trevor - that I never knew who you would prefer to being in the end game with in finals 4/5. You had the strongest social game in my opinion. From MM8 and onwards - I was going to try and take you down. Each attempt failed . Sorry I had to go against you, I felt you were going to let those 4 take shots at each other and me, while you slide by to the finals. Very overall impressed with your gameplay. I felt that MM11 - with the guests being inactive - it was not fair for you, as it was even more harder when playing solo. With the pairs - you would have had a chance, with lots of betrays from Arnold/Joseph, the game could have shifted in various ways in favor of either you or Rexxy. Great to meet with you and respect of your gameplay. Joseph: Hey! For those that didn't know - Joseph was my ride or die partner since MM1. We shared information between each other throughout the MM's, and I felt I needed a person I can 100% trust, and try to strategize and just get through surviving. Joseph - thanks for the strategies in the DM, and thanks for being my partner. I enjoyed reading your strategies for the Race and Monopoly matches, and we just couldn't pull through unfortunately.. Thanks for revealing who you were on reddit to me, and was amazed you played in reddit Genius. I manage to make it in the finals against all odds, so thanks for the support you gave me during MM11! Glad you are here for support, and i'm ready for whatever happens!
Rexxy: We had a great game relationship. I felt MM6 & MM7 we were a bit on the opposing sides for a bit. But i'm glad we were able to work with each other before and after that. Your gut was correct in MM6 about me and Joseph colluding . I would never pick you in the DM, and was trying to dissuade Joseph but he picked you. I was torn. Even though you took out Joseph, i'm glad we connected again and I thank you for just helping me out with information and moves to do. It is my turn to take you on, and I hope I can do my best to give you a challenge! That's it for me! I color coded names, if you wanted to glance read for each player . I had a blast with these games, lots of gaming and socializing, and will remember this experience. If any questions, feel free to ask!
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Post by Bandage Man on Sept 7, 2017 3:38:37 GMT -5
Eliminated players, if you have any questions or comments to give to the finalists, feel free to ask on here.
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Post by metsrus on Sept 7, 2017 5:17:36 GMT -5
Congrats Rexxy and Kevin on making it to the finals!
I have some questions for Rexxy first. From what you told me in the last round, it seemed you volunteered to go to the deathmatch with Ethy and gave Kevin safety. Can you confirm that was how that MM was played out? You told me you were confident that you can beat Ethy in the deathmatch. I never got a chance to ask you, what made you so confident? Also how confident are you of beating Kevin in the finals if the items were distributed evenly? and how confident if you have a disadvantage in the items? Even before our DM, I had a strong feeling you would go far in this game, cause you seem very prepared.
Kevin, you seem like you played a better social game since there are quite a few more people on your side in the losers lodge. I'm gonna ask you the same question. How confident are you at beating Rexxy head to head on a level playing field? And would you prefer to have an advantage with the items?
I wish both of you gentlemen luck. I'm sure these final games will be played at a very high level, and may the better man win.
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Post by kaycali86 on Sept 7, 2017 8:02:51 GMT -5
Tom: (1) My confidence is decent against Rexxy. I acknowledge that Rexxy has shown to be quite a great competitor in the death matches throughout this game. One of my hobbies I do enjoy is table top games - where I play Dead of Winters, Cosmic Encounters, Shadows over Camelot etc and Party bluff games - Coup, Avalon, Codenames. These games require various strategies as well as socializing with players, and I apply this knowledge for The Genius game here. So I feel in an Even Playing field, I'll stand a chance to take on Rexxy.
(2) And with handling items - Rexxy and I biggest concern in final 3 - was Ethy having built a game relationship with people, where he'd win a majority of the items. Had Ethy went to the finals, I was already willing to accept the disadvantage of having lesser items - and would consider it a challenge. Same here - I was ready for whatever items were going to be distributed. Its ultimately up to me how I use the items, and how I play out the challenge, therefore - I'm fine with however the players choose the items to give.
Thanks for the questions! If anyone wants to ask any further questions about the events in this game, i'm ready to answer!
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Post by ethynol on Sept 7, 2017 9:11:28 GMT -5
Hi finalists once again, I never ever grew sick of saying how impressed I am with both of your game plays and your moves that get both of you sitting at the end. It was a blessing indeed to work together with you both since the first MM. After eliminated, I was told see further relationships that I wasnt aware in the game, and these relationships justified many more actions in the game that i wasnt aware of. Personally, i wasnt aware of how many people Kevin reached out to in the game, forming tight bonds in the game, sharing information with them. So now I wonder who's the actual social threat I thought the ride or die relationship I had with Arnold was discrete enough, but apparently not! I have one question addressed to both of you, and another question addressed to each one of you... here goes: For both:
What is that one 'Extreme Ways moment' that you guys can claim for yourself, that allow you guys to be worth of the title of 'The Genius'? Since it is 'The' genius, it should be something that you've done on your own, or played a significant role in. It could be a certain game move, or social ties, or anything else that you think allowed you to be sitting right there in the finals.For Rexxy:
As I mentioned above, Kevin formed strong social ties with a lot of people, allowing him to gain trust from many people and hence giving the chance for him to maneuver his way to the end. I may then ask, where are your allegiance at in this game? Is it just Joshua and me, or anyone else? Or is your number one alliance truly to yourself only?For Kevin:
In the last MM, I was offered by Rexxy to support him in the end, so that I can face you off in the Deathmatch. How willing would you be to volunteer to go the deathmatch in this case? Would you have volunteered then for the opportunity to take me down?Looking forward for the answers from you guys! and even more excited from the finals!!
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Post by kaycali86 on Sept 7, 2017 9:40:45 GMT -5
Hey Ethy!: (1)My 'Extreme Ways' Moment may have been MM5 when we all won. You, Rexxy, Joshua, and Plat decided to pick Joseph as DM candidate. I convinced otherwise - and pivoted to shifting DM candidate to Lukas - and the 4 of you then changed your decision right away. Joseph was my pair - and I had to make sure he avoided the DM.
That was social ties. Game wise - I would say MM10 - where I had the equation answer of 10 already, but I decided to go for 11 answer - and you and Trevor were off about my secret number.
(2) Here is how willing I would go to the DM. On MM10, you and Rexxy didn't know this - When we did our confessionals prior to the MM starting - My plan was that if I felt I was going to lose the MM - I was going to give all my 20 chips to Trevor, and take you to the DM. I told Trevor this during the MM, and Mr. Bandage Man knows about it when he asked about my strategy in the confessionals. I took multiply/plus - which didn't benefit me at all, but Rexxy didn't want multiply, and he gave me immunity in MM9, so I felt obligated to take it. That is when I was contemplating with giving it to Trevor. But I manage to trade number and sign with both Rexxy & Trevor for a better equation.
I actually had no idea Rexxy offered you for MM help. Was that during having our partners? I'm not sure if he was trying to hoodwink you to make you feel that you could trust him during the MM, and he'd backstab you at the end game. But to answer - Rexxy told me intially he didn't want you to proceed to the finals, and was willing to go to the DM to stop you. So, I was content on just following the plan. If Rexxy voiced that he wanted to win the MM - then I was willing to help, and try to my best to take you down.
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Post by rexxefa on Sept 7, 2017 9:54:37 GMT -5
My answer to Tom:
1) Yes, the initial plan was to volunteer myself and bring Ethy to the DM. And that has been the plan for the past few rounds with me and Kevin. Also taken into account the fact that when I analyzed the board after the partner thing has been scraped, I noticed there's no way that the game would've ended if the three of us work individually, because of the down elevator placed side-by-side in the top row. Which means if we're playing individually then we could've just put 0 for the piece that isn't ours. But I told myself if there's a situation where I could snag the win, then take it. Which could happen when my piece reached the 44th space, but then it landed on the red elevator and diminishing my good chance of winning that MM. That's when I focused on supporting Kevin and finishing that game.
2) To me, the death match isn't a death sentence. No matter how experienced your opponent has more than you, or how skilled or how smart your opponent is, technically you STILL have 50/50 chance on winning it. That's what I tell myself every time before I played the deathmatches. And that, plus the other 3 wins, is how I felt comfortable putting myself in the DM.
3) Similar with Kevin, our concern going to the finals with Ethy is that he has built a decent social connection that he'll get the majority of items. But recently, I started thinking about my social game in general, Kevin's social bond and when you said that he has more people on his side in the losers lounge. That had me thinking, that I'd probably have less the advantage than my opponent, whether if I'm playing against Ethy or Kevin...
I think items could be a significant element in winning the game, since by watching the show there's some games where the items is the deciding factor of the player's victory. But unlike the jury votes in Survivor, that doesn't fully dictate the result of the finals. It's technically possible to go around your opponent's advantage. In conclusion, vote for who you think the most deserving of the items. I obviously would love the advantages, but I wouldn't be too discouraged either if I go in the finals without any items.
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Post by rexxefa on Sept 7, 2017 10:31:14 GMT -5
My answer to Ethy:
1) The "Extreme ways" moments depends on the element of surprise, and it's hard to judge that when you're the one creating the surprise. That being said, probably my extreme ways moment is my comebacks in the double sided poker games, even though it's seems like more luck based, especially in Trevor's condition. But I told myself to keep patient even when my chip counts reaches a single digit, and that a good card will come eventually. Also I tried to refrain myself to go all in in that condition without the top card. Getting my chip count from 5 to 10 to 20 to every chip in the game is definitely my most memorable part in the game that I did.
Also probably the 9th MM when Arnold played the howl cards, which I THINK I made him do it with my offers, I'm not sure if there's other stuffs behind the scene. Also probably the realization in the second DM when I realized it's a deadlock and Tom couldn't gain more chips than me in the end of the match.
2) One thing I love about The Genius rules that's significantly different from Survivor (which I also adore) is that you technically could win the whole game solo. There's also the whole social aspect with the whole jury/items thing but like I said before, it helps you but it doesn't dictate the end result. So I came in this game thinking that I'll do what's best for my game and it's okay to cut ties and jump ships if that'll benefit me.
So when we started the game, and you approached me asking to group up with Joshua, I had a thought in my head that told me that maybe it's better to throw my previous strategy and just go to the end with these guys. And so that's what I did almost throughout the game. Even when Joshua left I still don't want to fully cut ties with you. The decision to partially break away with you started somewhere at the Middle Race when Kevin told me that you're pretty all around in terms of making connection with the other guys. At that time I still think that we're a tight group along with Joshua. Therefore, on Monopoly game onwards when you were giving immunity to Arnold, and the fact that Arnold and Trevor doesn't pick you for the DM, I thought that maybe you're really is a social threat and there's no other person other than Kevin that will take you to the DM. And I didn't really want to be that person to give another powerhouse player the win in a silver platter and carry them by my shoulder to the finals (looking at you, BB19 casts...). So yea, that's when I decided to go back with my initial mindset and fully jump ship in the final MM.
So to summarized, my social relationship is pretty fluid throughout the game. Whether or not it's a good social strategy, we'll see in the next few days...
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Post by kaycali86 on Sept 7, 2017 11:03:24 GMT -5
I'm going to elaborate a bit further about Ethy social connections. I told Arnold that Ethy/Rexxy in MM3 got Joshua to pick Merriska for DM, and Arnold/Merriska/Plat/Jay were seen as a group. I told Arnold this and he noted this. I thought Ethy was trying to take out all of Arnold's group. So in Middle Race - I was very surprised Arnold picked me for last draft. I asked him why he didn't pick Ethy since it seemed he was actively against him, and he gave me an answer saying I wouldn't be too upset compared to Ethy. This was a red flag about Ethy.
From there - It felt like Arnold/Trevor/Joshua/Rexxy were all connected with Ethy, and Arnold had Plat/Joseph on his side for this MM. I think Arnold would pivot the DM candidate away from Ethy. I don't think Arnold knew me and Joseph were already working together and fed me information. I was picked for this DM by Plat, which really caught me off guard. I thought I had build a good game relationship with him, but I don't know if Arnold directed Plat from going against Ethy's side to me, because Plat picked Ethy for 3rd last draft pick, and I never seen those two interact with each other throughout the MM's, besides MM5 where he was doc, but there was no special booths, as they were closed.
From there - MM7 Monopoly - Ethy traded nearly with everyone, and Arnold gave him the win - where I felt that was enough that Arnold/Ethy were a tight duo confirmed. I concluded he had too many hands on the cookie jar, and my perception is he has pairings with nearly everyone. In MM4 - Trevor said he trusted Ethy the most when we talked one on one, and that was just reinforced my theory. So I attempted to talk to Joshua, but he never spoke to me in MM7, and I thought he told Ethy about how sketched I was about him. I told Rexxy early in MM6 as well, and after Joseph left, I wasn't sure who I could overall trust, but I mostly talked to Rexxy and from there - had built back our game relationship, and my goal was just to get Ethy to the DM. I thought Trevor was going to take Ethy in MM10, but he didn't. That validated to me that Ethy was well connected in my eyes.
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Post by ak on Sept 7, 2017 13:37:18 GMT -5
Hey guys! Congratulations on making it to the final 2! I'm so proud of you guys. Honestly I have no questions just some clarifications. I never betrayed you kevin in MM 11, I just missed the deadline XD. Obviously I was intending to later in the game, but with so many rexxy spots near the beginning I was focusing on getting us through that. I don't know why plat chose you. I think I tried to convince him to choose someone else (Trevor I think?) but he went and did his thing haha. I didn't want him to choose you because I enjoyed working with you a lot, same for plat. The only reason why I played the howl cards was because I was feeling super greedy that day. I actually thought that it would help me a bit, but then I realized after I made the move that I misunderstood the rules XD There's probably more that I should comment on but I forget . Anyways, good luck in the final match!! I wish both of you the best of luck, and I will be giving my item to
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Post by kaycali86 on Sept 7, 2017 13:45:27 GMT -5
Okay thanks Arnold!
Thanks for clarification. I guess Plat did indeed wanted to have a challenge who had a 5 winning streak! I wasn't sure after the DM.
Yeah, I respected and enjoyed playing with you. Sorry you and Tom were inactive during MM11. It was tough for Ethy playing solo. I think we needed at least to revamp that MM if it was just going to be us 3. Or just have an extended deadline of 18 hours or so.
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